It's just too bad Goatis doesn't understand this part, but...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z_SCjFBkLcA
Children don't make you happy, and they are not cheap. If they were cheap to have, then the governments wouldn't need to subsidize and encourage people by incentives to have children.
It really demonstrates a major failure of the Human Species.
No other species depends on subsidies to maintain its survival of its species, and this proves not only that Humans have much more stressful lives than animals, but that the child-rearing process is more complex, stressful, and life-long compared to other animals.
If animals had to endure it the same way, I'm pretty sure they would also choose to go the Anti-Natalist route, despite their instincts and biological urges.
Also, getting the government or welfare programs to "pay you" is part of being involved with the Matrix.
Unfortunately, this is the #1 Topic that Goatis gets wrong. He's so right about so many things, but this one just isn't it.
I'm so thankful I don't have the baby-making bug. I never had it.
It's probably one of the worst afflictions to have, worse than an addiction or even wanting material items.
Goatis thinks the idea of raising children giving me a stressed out sensation in my stomach means I’m mentally ill. I know you’re a fan of Goatis, PSA. But I can’t stand this guy and no, its not because of the alleged acid attack.
ReplyDeleteEven though both myself and Prussian don’t fully agree with Goatis doesn’t mean we don’t think he’s a kickass legend
DeleteDo you know if his mom is a witch or has any relation to them because, to Goatis’s credit, he seems to have Bene Gesserit like abilities with his voice.
DeleteHey, we're all entitled to opinions and I don't hold it against anyone if they don't like someone. It's just the trolls and ones with sick sinister agendas that I have a problem with... But I do agree Goatis has some interesting magic with his voice.
Delete@Saint,
DeleteWhat do you see in Goatis that is negative, in your view?
I don’t understand how Goatis can see how we can never recover and how the world has ZERO chance of ever getting better, and yet he still advocates for having as many kids as possible
ReplyDeleteHe has a pretty simplified view of nature too. He thinks that humans just lay around with no worries or stress and live an easy life. That we can just walk over to an animal if we’re hungry and catch it within 5 minutes and then have food for the day, and if we just stay together and have as many kids as possible then nothing bad can happen. Even though he claims he would like to live in Nature, he clearly doesn’t, I can tell he doesn’t fully realise it, but if he went to live in a forest for the rest of hid life, he would reconsider within hours
@zikeKEK,
DeletePersonally I don't think he believes it. Even the undertones in the video seem kind of try-hard as if trying to prove the point home, or suggesting it's a lack of not eating properly that kills the drive to have children.
I think many people are confusing their desire for sex for wanting to have kids :D
Any Animal that has children, whether it's a Bird or a Lion, doesn't need to worry about the health of their offspring outside of raising them to be fed and grown properly.
Raising offspring for animals is completely different and far less challenging, so much so, that many species jump from partner to partner every year through the breeding seasons having more and more offspring and then leaving and moving on with their lives.
It’s just that since everyone has urges to reproduce and other animals do it that means it’s natural. So when he sees people who “don’t follow nature” and are clearly more content without children, he wants to find a way to make sense of those who don’t have children or genuinely do not want any. So he uses some cop-out like “mental illness” or “biochemical state” or “brainwashed” instead of addressing the fact that raising kids FUCKING SUCKS. Even when you addresses your beliefs in the comments, he just dismissed you by basically saying “you wouldn’t get it” since you yourself don’t have kids. But he couldn’t come up with a real reason
Delete@zikeKEK,
DeleteYes, with Humans it's MUCH, MUCH different because we have a Higher Consciousness and type of Intelliegence on a broad level that other animals do not possess, along with complex Social structures. We build civilizations and it also means when our offspring gets sick, we bring them to the doctors.
Animals do not particularly have empathy or concern for their sick offspring, especially more so once they become adults. If they had such responsibilities, I doubt they would cope well with it from an animalistic standpoint even.
The thing is the Anunnaki program life forms on this planet to have instinct and desire to reproduce so they will continue the enslavement cycles and do not risk extinction of their Loosh emitting devices that serve as farms for endless energy.
There’s a reason humans made agriculture, we are conscious beings and agriculture is a safer and an effective way to get food. Even though you could argue it’s “enslavement”. We deviate AWAY from nature because it’s unsafe and doesn’t really give a fuck what happens to anybody. Again Goatis talks about living in nature as if it’s some breeze and simple thing to do
DeleteBut picture this, you’re a young man just “relaxing” with your family but suddenly, predators attack and you survive, but now you are in constant pain for years if not the rest of your life and a couple of your family members are dead which put you in a deep sadness because like you mentioned, we are much more conscious beings and we can’t just let things go so easily. So now the rest of your life is fucked or at best fucked for a long time. But yeah I guess Nature is beautiful in it’s own little way. Sounds like Heaven.
You mentioned it yourself that humans were here with a “little assistance” because we are not built AT ALL to survive in Nature. Even Goatis himself says that people in nature would use sticks and other things to attack or even make things from the resources around them because we clearly aren’t built for any of this
Even if every other animal had arms and legs, they could never do what humans could do. I mean the sheer beauty of some classical music out there could never be done by an animal. The planning (or something improvisation) that comes out of these works could really only be done by a human.
For me, Goatis's mentality is clear, he is living the moment, he does not think about the future, he has sent everything in the trash about the dystopic future and just wants to enjoy and follow his natural instincts, also that he has been lucky with his wife, so there is not much to talk, he has already said it a thousand times, he will not restrict himself, he will do whatever he wants. Also its native posture is intended to resonate in few clean humans, since even many of the followers who follow the raw and other meat diet, although they share the same message, are not reproducing, and that is because many women are already trapped or damaged, and that will not be, in fact to misfortune of some options with women will decrease because it costs me to see women made to be mothers currently, most are a failure.
ReplyDeleteWhat would not agree is anyone reproduced, miserable and ugly people should not reproduce, they are a burden. But it is already late, they are reproducing as never before, which will do this more infernal existence for the few clean beings that exist.
**What would not agree is that everyone reproduces
Delete@blood,
DeleteWOW, Actually you did bring up a very good point, because Goatis has admitted that he doesn't think a lot about the future... So that would very much explain and sum up his viewpoints on Natalism and also why he is not concerned with AI, or so it seems.
I find AI to be a nerve-wracking reality that is upon us, and I see every day how it's making our lives worse.
I see Anti-Natalism as winning from the standpoint that the arguments FOR IT as opposed to Pro-Natalist Arguments, have become much stronger now all over the world.
There is less and less urge for people to have children, even though people are birthing children.
The types of people that will soon exist in this world will NOT be people one would want to have their children integrate with, and this has more or less been the case rapidly after World War II, worldwide. Mankind lost the plot, if there ever was one, it was definitely lost after World War II.
Part of the problem between the gap of a Pro-Natalist ideal view versus Anti-Natalism, is all the essences or semblances that make life worth living or not.
And increasingly, we see every day the evidence all around us and people who are questioning the fact of whether or not the quality of life is even worth it for the Human Experience to even continue our species.
Even Little Hat Wearer agents bring these things up routinely, even ones I highly dislike, but the fact that even they intellectually are aware of these things (not that they never would be) and that they even profess a desire to not be alive for the world to come, such as the likes of Yuval Noah Harari, tells us all we need to know.
Some comment under his video said that having children is the way to defeat the matrix.. lol I don't know what he meant by that but he is so clueless..
ReplyDeleteYes Goatis has said that he follows the rules of the matrix aka nature so that's why he pushes a lot the idea of having children. I don't know how many time it will take him to accept that it is a bad decision to bring children into the world, he definitely can do that because he's not an NPC and he already has said in the past that it's pointless to do it as you are only bringing more slaves into this world.
@nothingiserious,
DeleteThere sure seems to be a lot more cognitive dissonance on the whole topic lately I notice, because children can't be affordable yet government needs to give incentives and welfare for supporting the children.
At the same time, the Matrix wants people to have more children since there's more slaves to feed into the economy, so it's really not enslavement to NOT have children.
The idea of it being enslavement not having children, really can only built on the premise that this world is a desirable place to bring life into and as if it should still be invested into and fought for.
Most Humans these days do not have high regards or hopes for this world, which is why more than ever more people don't care and prefer to watch it burn.
>he definitely can do that because he's not an NPC and he already has said in the past that it's pointless to do it as you are only bringing more slaves into this world.<
EXACTLY...
Why do you think Goatis took this position?
ReplyDeleteHaving a family with a proper woman and proper children can indeed be something satisfying. The problem is that so many humans are so trashy that having a family is bad, and the larger environment is very bad, too. Goatis‘ wife seems to be well-behaved and the child might have this character, too. The problem with modern parents is that they are hesitant to use physical force or other punishments in order to correct misbehaving tendencies. Otherwise, few children would have modern technology and an abundance of sweets at their disposal and can spend so much time indoors and learn nothing valuable for their culture (e.g., how to repair X or build Y) - in fact, they learn bad behaviors like sleeping around, abusing the opposite sex for their short-term needs, lying constantly about almost everything, being totally fake, etc.
ReplyDelete@Eike,
DeleteIt would be even more satisfying in an existence that has purpose and meaning, where we are immortal and do not depend on money and resources and all the other problems that make it a chore to raise children.
Even from an early age when times were better, I still knew it wasn't worth it.
In a better Existence, sweets would be nutritious and healthy. The fact that they aren't is design of the Demiurge.