It's just too bad Goatis doesn't understand this part, but...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z_SCjFBkLcA
Children don't make you happy, and they are not cheap. If they were cheap to have, then the governments wouldn't need to subsidize and encourage people by incentives to have children.
It really demonstrates a major failure of the Human Species.
No other species depends on subsidies to maintain its survival of its species, and this proves not only that Humans have much more stressful lives than animals, but that the child-rearing process is more complex, stressful, and life-long compared to other animals.
If animals had to endure it the same way, I'm pretty sure they would also choose to go the Anti-Natalist route, despite their instincts and biological urges.
Also, getting the government or welfare programs to "pay you" is part of being involved with the Matrix.
Unfortunately, this is the #1 Topic that Goatis gets wrong. He's so right about so many things, but this one just isn't it.
I'm so thankful I don't have the baby-making bug. I never had it.
It's probably one of the worst afflictions to have, worse than an addiction or even wanting material items.
Goatis thinks the idea of raising children giving me a stressed out sensation in my stomach means I’m mentally ill. I know you’re a fan of Goatis, PSA. But I can’t stand this guy and no, its not because of the alleged acid attack.
ReplyDeleteEven though both myself and Prussian don’t fully agree with Goatis doesn’t mean we don’t think he’s a kickass legend
DeleteDo you know if his mom is a witch or has any relation to them because, to Goatis’s credit, he seems to have Bene Gesserit like abilities with his voice.
DeleteHey, we're all entitled to opinions and I don't hold it against anyone if they don't like someone. It's just the trolls and ones with sick sinister agendas that I have a problem with... But I do agree Goatis has some interesting magic with his voice.
Delete@Saint,
DeleteWhat do you see in Goatis that is negative, in your view?
I don’t understand how Goatis can see how we can never recover and how the world has ZERO chance of ever getting better, and yet he still advocates for having as many kids as possible
ReplyDeleteHe has a pretty simplified view of nature too. He thinks that humans just lay around with no worries or stress and live an easy life. That we can just walk over to an animal if we’re hungry and catch it within 5 minutes and then have food for the day, and if we just stay together and have as many kids as possible then nothing bad can happen. Even though he claims he would like to live in Nature, he clearly doesn’t, I can tell he doesn’t fully realise it, but if he went to live in a forest for the rest of hid life, he would reconsider within hours
@zikeKEK,
DeletePersonally I don't think he believes it. Even the undertones in the video seem kind of try-hard as if trying to prove the point home, or suggesting it's a lack of not eating properly that kills the drive to have children.
I think many people are confusing their desire for sex for wanting to have kids :D
Any Animal that has children, whether it's a Bird or a Lion, doesn't need to worry about the health of their offspring outside of raising them to be fed and grown properly.
Raising offspring for animals is completely different and far less challenging, so much so, that many species jump from partner to partner every year through the breeding seasons having more and more offspring and then leaving and moving on with their lives.
It’s just that since everyone has urges to reproduce and other animals do it that means it’s natural. So when he sees people who “don’t follow nature” and are clearly more content without children, he wants to find a way to make sense of those who don’t have children or genuinely do not want any. So he uses some cop-out like “mental illness” or “biochemical state” or “brainwashed” instead of addressing the fact that raising kids FUCKING SUCKS. Even when you addresses your beliefs in the comments, he just dismissed you by basically saying “you wouldn’t get it” since you yourself don’t have kids. But he couldn’t come up with a real reason
Delete@zikeKEK,
DeleteYes, with Humans it's MUCH, MUCH different because we have a Higher Consciousness and type of Intelliegence on a broad level that other animals do not possess, along with complex Social structures. We build civilizations and it also means when our offspring gets sick, we bring them to the doctors.
Animals do not particularly have empathy or concern for their sick offspring, especially more so once they become adults. If they had such responsibilities, I doubt they would cope well with it from an animalistic standpoint even.
The thing is the Anunnaki program life forms on this planet to have instinct and desire to reproduce so they will continue the enslavement cycles and do not risk extinction of their Loosh emitting devices that serve as farms for endless energy.
There’s a reason humans made agriculture, we are conscious beings and agriculture is a safer and an effective way to get food. Even though you could argue it’s “enslavement”. We deviate AWAY from nature because it’s unsafe and doesn’t really give a fuck what happens to anybody. Again Goatis talks about living in nature as if it’s some breeze and simple thing to do
DeleteBut picture this, you’re a young man just “relaxing” with your family but suddenly, predators attack and you survive, but now you are in constant pain for years if not the rest of your life and a couple of your family members are dead which put you in a deep sadness because like you mentioned, we are much more conscious beings and we can’t just let things go so easily. So now the rest of your life is fucked or at best fucked for a long time. But yeah I guess Nature is beautiful in it’s own little way. Sounds like Heaven.
You mentioned it yourself that humans were here with a “little assistance” because we are not built AT ALL to survive in Nature. Even Goatis himself says that people in nature would use sticks and other things to attack or even make things from the resources around them because we clearly aren’t built for any of this
Even if every other animal had arms and legs, they could never do what humans could do. I mean the sheer beauty of some classical music out there could never be done by an animal. The planning (or something improvisation) that comes out of these works could really only be done by a human.
@zikeKEK,
DeleteThe answer regarding agriculture is a tricky one... Because the thing is, it turns out that Agriculture in terms of the way we knew it, has become one of the biggest Mistakes Humanity embarked upon.
It's interesting, because even Hitler understood this from his study of Agriculture, Bismarck also had a major background in it as well, but even if not as openly blatant about the consequences of Agriculture, Hitler foresaw the main issues that arise from it, because when you develop whole plots of land for it, it has a devastating effect on the habitats of other wild animals and insects, and leaves the constant need to rotate your crop soils, because from even one growing season, all the nutrients are depleted from the soil which are not naturally restored for AT LEAST One century... That is how HORRIBLY inefficient and unsustainable growing crops is, and also when coming to understand this myself in studying into Agriculture, it made me more pessimistic in realizing how pathetic this existence is. You would need to use fertilizers, and few fertilizers are natural and even the ones that are, are very expensive, adding more headaches and expenses along with the vast farming equipment needed for maintaining vast farmlands.
Hitler recognized this problem, in which he made Rules in terms of property ownership, that although it was never fully put into practice, having such a short run, Hitler was making it a requirement that anyone who owns Property that has usable soil to take on responsibility for growing some amount of food on it, it could be Potatoes, Tomatoes, Grapes, Wheat and other common items, but just a small portion whereby if this became a standard practice, that there would be an abundance for people to trade and use when these crops are in-season, and yet not taking over your whole real estate like Farmlands do, which creates a lot of problems and depleted soil.
This would also encourage more "neighborly" trade for people who might grow this versus that, or to allow it to be sold in the open market. It was the right strategy he had in mind, because realistically, while we may consume some of these items from time to time, Humans typically only ate such foods when they were in-season or as available, and this would be the only way that it could be done, especially if we wanted to not depend on artificial fertilizers.
A lot of people are not comfortable with the truth of the matter of these things, because it violates everything they grew up knowing or understanding, including the Large widespread forms of Industrial Farming and Agriculture systems we have expanded to in modern times.
I just used agriculture as an example of things people did just to avoid having to hunt so often and being in the “wonderful Nature”. I actually wasn’t aware it was a CENTURY MINIMUM. I thought it was a couple years at most. But yes, we would just eat these foods in season but of course we can get any fruit and vegetable we want in the store now at any day of the year with pesticides and GMOs all over them
DeleteAlso our natural instincts rarely make you plan ahead. And I FUCKING HATE the whole “worry about it later” attitude towards anything worthwhile. Just a “band-aid” solution with every problem in Nature, nothing is ever done in advance
DeleteFor me, Goatis's mentality is clear, he is living the moment, he does not think about the future, he has sent everything in the trash about the dystopic future and just wants to enjoy and follow his natural instincts, also that he has been lucky with his wife, so there is not much to talk, he has already said it a thousand times, he will not restrict himself, he will do whatever he wants. Also its native posture is intended to resonate in few clean humans, since even many of the followers who follow the raw and other meat diet, although they share the same message, are not reproducing, and that is because many women are already trapped or damaged, and that will not be, in fact to misfortune of some options with women will decrease because it costs me to see women made to be mothers currently, most are a failure.
ReplyDeleteWhat would not agree is anyone reproduced, miserable and ugly people should not reproduce, they are a burden. But it is already late, they are reproducing as never before, which will do this more infernal existence for the few clean beings that exist.
**What would not agree is that everyone reproduces
Delete@blood,
DeleteWOW, Actually you did bring up a very good point, because Goatis has admitted that he doesn't think a lot about the future... So that would very much explain and sum up his viewpoints on Natalism and also why he is not concerned with AI, or so it seems.
I find AI to be a nerve-wracking reality that is upon us, and I see every day how it's making our lives worse.
I see Anti-Natalism as winning from the standpoint that the arguments FOR IT as opposed to Pro-Natalist Arguments, have become much stronger now all over the world.
There is less and less urge for people to have children, even though people are birthing children.
The types of people that will soon exist in this world will NOT be people one would want to have their children integrate with, and this has more or less been the case rapidly after World War II, worldwide. Mankind lost the plot, if there ever was one, it was definitely lost after World War II.
Part of the problem between the gap of a Pro-Natalist ideal view versus Anti-Natalism, is all the essences or semblances that make life worth living or not.
And increasingly, we see every day the evidence all around us and people who are questioning the fact of whether or not the quality of life is even worth it for the Human Experience to even continue our species.
Even Little Hat Wearer agents bring these things up routinely, even ones I highly dislike, but the fact that even they intellectually are aware of these things (not that they never would be) and that they even profess a desire to not be alive for the world to come, such as the likes of Yuval Noah Harari, tells us all we need to know.
Some comment under his video said that having children is the way to defeat the matrix.. lol I don't know what he meant by that but he is so clueless..
ReplyDeleteYes Goatis has said that he follows the rules of the matrix aka nature so that's why he pushes a lot the idea of having children. I don't know how many time it will take him to accept that it is a bad decision to bring children into the world, he definitely can do that because he's not an NPC and he already has said in the past that it's pointless to do it as you are only bringing more slaves into this world.
@nothingiserious,
DeleteThere sure seems to be a lot more cognitive dissonance on the whole topic lately I notice, because children can't be affordable yet government needs to give incentives and welfare for supporting the children.
At the same time, the Matrix wants people to have more children since there's more slaves to feed into the economy, so it's really not enslavement to NOT have children.
The idea of it being enslavement not having children, really can only built on the premise that this world is a desirable place to bring life into and as if it should still be invested into and fought for.
Most Humans these days do not have high regards or hopes for this world, which is why more than ever more people don't care and prefer to watch it burn.
>he definitely can do that because he's not an NPC and he already has said in the past that it's pointless to do it as you are only bringing more slaves into this world.<
EXACTLY...
Why do you think Goatis took this position?
ReplyDeleteHaving a family with a proper woman and proper children can indeed be something satisfying. The problem is that so many humans are so trashy that having a family is bad, and the larger environment is very bad, too. Goatis‘ wife seems to be well-behaved and the child might have this character, too. The problem with modern parents is that they are hesitant to use physical force or other punishments in order to correct misbehaving tendencies. Otherwise, few children would have modern technology and an abundance of sweets at their disposal and can spend so much time indoors and learn nothing valuable for their culture (e.g., how to repair X or build Y) - in fact, they learn bad behaviors like sleeping around, abusing the opposite sex for their short-term needs, lying constantly about almost everything, being totally fake, etc.
ReplyDelete@Eike,
DeleteIt would be even more satisfying in an existence that has purpose and meaning, where we are immortal and do not depend on money and resources and all the other problems that make it a chore to raise children.
Even from an early age when times were better, I still knew it wasn't worth it.
In a better Existence, sweets would be nutritious and healthy. The fact that they aren't is design of the Demiurge.
I still derive a lot of meaning from studying and supporting the CTMU in this dystopian world. I cannot be sure at all, but it could be that the future of this world and my life were shown to be when I was a little child (summary: everything burns and at the end, there won't be many humans left). I am very dissatisfied with this life and consider self-deletion regularly (the thought of having to spend more decades on this planet seems to be intolerable at times). But this life offers meaning still as we are in at a point of history in which humanity can choose to pass through two of the filters (rid itself of evil enslaving parasites and get the basic definition of the term "existence" right) of the multi-layered Great Filter. I am not suggesting that humanity will make that choice (it is very unrealistic), but the potential is maybe not 0. Aside from a better evolution of humanity, this life offers spiritual evolution which will be valuable once we leave this place.
DeleteThe thing about Goatis is that he is a somewhat an irresponsible person, not having a steady career and no savings.
ReplyDeleteSo, for him, I think having and raising children, may seem easy. He is not going to burden himself with giving his children "things" or comfort.
Does he even see his children? Does he even pay child support? I am not trying to pry into his life, I just want to understand why he is so hell bent of this idea of bringing more cabbages to the planet. children are cabbage patch dolls.
I like the guy a lot, but his take on this is WAY off. And this is all I can come up with, as to why he takes this stand, as he is just a carefree, irresponsible person. :)))))....
Where most parents are planning ahead to make sure their children have that structure...Goatis is busy walking in nature and making videos.
Then, I thought maybe he is trolling us?
Another thing Goatis fails to grasp is the role that the corrupt communist governments plays in our lives.
ReplyDeleteAs men, you have to battle vs. government to maintain your relationships.
Government uses it's Jew media and schools, for example, to warp your child's mind...so you are always having to fight that indoctrination.
And then if your wife wants a divorce, the government wants you to suffer predatory fees because the government can't afford to take care of that bitch!
Goatis needs to get it, because he is definitely giving out bad information, and setting people up for so much failure. ...
My wise Italian mother used to always say that once you have children, your life is over. All the energy goes to the children. Thanks Mama!
@Joey Aragon,
DeleteYes, the thing is, if there was ever the WORST time in Human history to ever have a children, that time is NOW...
For a whole host of reasons. The second worst times to have children would be during Wars or Economic Depressions. But even those events never ultimately stopped people having children, in fact many times with an explosion of births once conditions improve or when optimism came back in people.
The times we live in now though, are far different, particularly with how much the population has exploded, and I feel most people have ignored these implications.
In the Year 1980, which was not that long ago in your memory or mine, the world population was HALF, around 4.4 Billion compared to today. That means there is DOUBLE the requirements of food production, infrastructure accommodation and pressure on resources overall. In 1928, the world population was 2 Billion, which is an acceptable level if it were maintained as that on the ultimate "limit", but what Humans seem to fail to realize is that even if a country can support a certain population, that some amount of Headroom MUST be left so as to not suffocate resources, available land and real estate in general.
For example, in terms of the United States in terms of what it can successfully hold as a "maximum" comfortable level of a population, according to actual Science based on the resources in this country, is actually 500 Million people.
That doesn't mean that life cannot become uncomfortable or depleted below 500 Million, we're already at just about 350 Million as of this year.
With the American consumption lifestyles, there is no way we would comfortably approach 500 Million, without serious kinds of issues and discomfort. It's already seriously uncomfortable right now.
In addition, most of the Land and Soil in America is depleted and polluted, including the rivers and seas from Industrial and Human Waste.
This means that EVEN after a population collapse, there will be no easy return to "normal" for a given population to rebuild because of those consequences for building up this much.
In addition, due to a combination of Government Oppression and Policies which make it almost impossible for someone to live in the "Wild", even if someone wanted to bring children into this world under the presumption of living that way to achieve ultimate freedom, it is not as easy to live that way now and the Government goes after people.
As it is right now, most municipal or county regulations if they didn't exist before, have been legislating and enforcing laws against people living in their Cars or RV's including what are deemed "In-Law" Apartments, as there is an agenda trying to prevent all possibilities of families or people from having other options to make it.
Your mother was definitely very wise and frank, few parents are as straightforward and truthful about such matters a lot of times.
I am surprised that Goatis hasn’t realised how much of a hold that the NWO has on us. Also the fact that life is meant to be enslavement from the Demiurge. That simple fact is enough to put me off children. Can’t Goatis see how much pain and suffering there is in the world? The whole aspect of loosh energy farming, and the law of entropy?
ReplyDeleteGoatis enjoys health, which is very hard to come by in this existence, especially as one ages, whilst he eats extremely well and probably doesn’t aquire much damage from his nutrition, I believe he will still get health problems later in life.
For starters, he wasn’t eating fully raw his whole life, I guess he started eating raw meat at age 25? I don’t know his diet before that but I can imagine he had 25 years of cooked meat, grains etc the diet almost everyone eats. That damage would have accumulated and shortened his lifespan. He seems to think he can now correct this in children by feeding them naturally their whole life, but some damage from the parents gets passed down. Then there is also the problems with the amount of toxic chemicals that are in the air, our homes, even our natural raw meat. It’s impossible to escape from.
@Kyle,
DeleteEither that, or he chooses to ignore it...
As far as the diet goes though, the main damage if there were any that the child would inherit would be based on damage to the DNA or Sperm Quality being compromised. In the mother there are variable factors as well, including the gut microbiome, because if a mother's gut microbiome is poor, the child will inherit that "factor" from the mother and suffer with immune issues or allergies and other problems for their life.
@PSA
DeleteI just can’t see how you can ignore something as big as the loosh energy and prison planet reality. Life is generally a net negative, how can he be ignoring that?
In terms of damage from diet, lets say Goatis ate a poor diet for the first 25 years of his life, and now eats really well like he currently does, how bad would the damage have been from his previous diet? Would diseases still creep up on him? Also his lifespan has likely been reduced from his previous diet, even if he is eating raw meat now. The same goes with any human, even if I ate an amazing raw meat diet, the 23 years of bad food and alcohol consumption would likely have fucked something and caused permanent damage.
Goatis knows all this, but he's already said: screw it, I'm going to live my life the way I want and that's it. He doesn't care about anything unnatural, to a certain extent. And if you're with a woman who loves you and what's meant to happen happens, he's not going to stop it because of his beliefs, which he can't prove. I can understand humans who experienced this about aliens and the rest of it, but as for beliefs, wouldn't this be the same as the Abrahamic religions?
DeleteI believe that Goatis is looking at the elites for inspiration. He probably realizes how bad things are, but refuses to allow it to stop him from doing whatever he wants. He's trying to tick all the boxes: (food, sun, children, etc) and enjoy life as much as possible and to "go out with a bang". He has mentioned before about becoming the happiest he could possibly be and "ascending" out of this place. And he knows he'll never reach that (because you would have to be an elite) but he might be trying to get as close as possible as sort of a life mission or goal. This is why he's doubling down on Nature. Because he probably does realize the world we live in is hell, and nature is the only means of what is worth it, the only thing he wants to associate himself with, base himself around, or strive for in this existence.
ReplyDeleteOne thing that I notice is how he worships nature as an absolute, and how we're programmed to do this and that. He already knows what the Annunaki is. He knows that there are creators that designed us this way. It may be that he realizes that there's no point in rebelling against the homo-sapien existence and its creators, but more productive and pleasureable to simply abide by the natural programming. More of an ignorance is bliss... approach to life, because nothing can be done, anyway.
If he himself has said that he might not even have the faculties to understand these entities, then that's useless. He lives with the reality of nature, which gives him enjoyment and comfort.
DeleteThere's a point that many of his followers don't understand, even some I like very much, but I must say it: the cruelty of nature. And Goatis hasn't deceived anyone with this. He doesn't say it directly on YouTube because he can't, but anyone with insight understands it. In nature, you can take what you want, however you want. Many of his followers seem to ignore this point and only focus on gentleness. I think this is due to the deep programming many have with Christianity. But the reality is that many of these men ignore the fact that they're really going to have to kidnap women and make sure they're clean if they truly want to form the utopia of family and the rest. But I imagine they need to go deeper, because some still don't fully grasp it.
Very good point blood.
DeleteI walk, in the woods about 3-4 times a week. And, I know it can be hell if you are out of water or food for an extended period of time. You have to prepare if you were to ever live in nature.
Goatis is very naive about this, for sure. But, that is his shtick or whatever.
Now, if you wanted to do this for an extended time, say years, you need qualily food and water as you build your shelter. And warm clothes. Does Gaotis even think of this? The cold weather is a big muther fucker, and can kill you. Where is your heating going to come from?
People don't realize that White people conquered nature, with our communities and grocery stores and somewhat clearn water. Yes, we have lots of processed foods, but there is still plenty of better foods if you are willing to spend the money.
Goatis a cool cat with good information. His channel is one of the best. But, he does seem to have his head up his ass on many things.
@blood,
ReplyDeleteIt makes me wonder to what extent murdering (killing) one another was the norm in a natural setting and environment.
Hence, natural population control. Also, since you would be having 10 or more kids in nature, the population should be exponentially growing. So then it would be survival of the fittest/strongest, where families, clans, have to survive against weather, predators, opposing clans/families. Yet since, the starting population is low, there would be plenty of resources for hundreds if not thousands of years.
Why are we suffering from overpopulation when people in nature were having 3x-5x the amount of children? This is something I need to reflect on. I assume it's because the modern era has made it so the genetic scum and the weak are able to survive and reproduce through modern technology, and the population is no longer being kept in order by natural disaster, predators, mother nature basically.
Partly that, but also because they've put systems in place to allow the population to overflow this much (still don't quite understand how they managed to do it).
And yes that is a good point of how Goatis doesn't shed much light on the cruelty of nature, on youtube of course, because he would get in trouble. Maybe he talks about it in his Telegram? I'm not sure.
Yes, most people do not grasp how nature really is. It's a completely different world. However, I do remember when Goatis has mentioned in a Youtube video how if you make a mistake in nature, you will probably die, and be punished. In contrary to video games, where mistakes = improvement.
Yes, Goatis has talked about this on Telegram. The YouTube thing is a softer version, really. But the reality is that even if Goatis doesn't say it, you just have to observe nature to see that killing is a total requirement. Although I agree that there are other entities that feed on humans, I can't prove it, so it only remains a belief. But the point is that this world has many laws that limit it, and nothing can be done about it, which is why many, like Goatis, throw everything to hell and simply try to enjoy this reality as best they can.
DeleteMany philosophers, doctors, and decent humans have always strongly defended eugenics. The unfortunate thing is that humans of certain mixed races interfered and caused the mess we have now. Regarding the anti-natality propaganda that is mentioned by Goatis, he is right in my opinion, but many see it from the wrong angle. Anti-natality propaganda comes from causing only third-world and damaged beings to reproduce, while decent beings are not doing so, hence the point why everything is so damaged today.
This is definitely pick on Goatis weekend. I love it. Everyone is open to getting criticized.
ReplyDeleteFirst of all, I like the guy. So, I won't be too mean. But, the thing is he stole lots of information from Arjanous, so we can't give him too much credit for his food takes. He also repeats himself over and over and over. He really hasn't said anything new in at least five years. Did I miss something? I think his Telegram is better, but I don't sub. However, I have donated to Goatis because he does giver out good information for the most part.
This encourages me to believe what he says is not always going to be the best information for life. His "have a baby take" is really laughable, given the guy has no formal education. This is another stance he has that is stupid. Getting education is good. This doesn't not necessarily mean college, but could be learning a trade as well. The world rewards these actions. Going to school, learning a trade. And yes, the money is fake, but having access to money is important. Very important, and should be taken seriously.
Goatis just lives in a Fantasy Worldview for the most part in my opinion. Much of what he suggests is good, and I wish it was a reality. But, it is not. So, we have to accept this, if we want the Tony Robbins "Your Best Life Now" (smh, lol). That is all I am saying. We have to have common sense and make the world adjustments that the Jews have put forth, with the other Elites. It is their planet, and we have to tote the line, most of the time, to make sense of it.
When Goatis says "in nature" and blah, blah blah, he is not living in reality. He should think about that, because giving out TERRIBLE advice to have children. And, I am sure there are several thousand teens and college people listening to Goatis, and will take on his bad information.. This is a disaster. And it is very irresponsible of hime.
@ Joey, these are great points you make here,
DeleteHe always says "in nature", it's like saying "in Atlantis", like describing a fantasy fairy world that will never come to pass. The problem is he is teaching to live by nature in a world that is designed to utterly remove you from it, and make it impossible or extremely difficult to do so, and inherently inconvenient, given how the Jews have already fucked up everything.
I wonder how much of a following he would lose, if he suddenly switched up and presented an anti-natalist view. Or if he truly cares about those numbers.
We can criticize him all we want, but objectively he's an extremely likeable person and a legend.
And, he is unlikely to change his take on it, even if he privately knows having children is stupid.
DeleteAs much as I love Goatis and even though I see him as a LEGEND. I don’t think I’d enjoy meeting him or hanging out with him in any capacity
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